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Guest Bio: Roberto Abheeru Berruti

Roberto Abheeru Berruti, a certified Holistic Trainer, operates under the regulations of Law No. 4/2013, with official recognition in the Professional Competence Registry of SIAF-Italia. Since November 8, 2011, he has been a Holistic Operator at the Trainer level (cod. VE371T-OP), further affirmed by his registration as P1538T-OP. His holistic approach integrates profound insights from personal experiences, including overcoming addiction and battling cancer, shared in intimate sessions in northern Italy.

Roberto Abheeru Berruti
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Via Ovada 113 – 15072 Casal Cermelli (Al)
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Professionista regolamentato dalla legge N.4/2013
Iscritto nei registri di Attestazione di Competenza Professionale SIAF-Italia
Operatore Olistico liv. Trainer cod. VE371T-OP dal 8/11/2011 P1538T-OP

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Summary 

In this self-love episode on The FarOut Show, the third of a 3-part series with Abheeru, we navigate the complex terrain of illness, focusing on the pervasive fear surrounding cancer in particular. Abheeru shares transformative insights drawn from his personal 7-year journey with cancer, highlighting the profound impact of fear on the mind and body. Abheeru invites a positive, authentic and creative approach to life amidst health challenges. Please remember, our show doesn’t offer medical advice; always consult a healthcare professional for personalised guidance.

The ill person starts from, Where do I find a sense of safety in life? Because most of us, when we get ill, we just immediately forget. One main central thing, yes, there might be an illness in my body, but all the rest of my body is healthy and is functioning. So why, why do I focus on a little detail while the rest of the body is functioning and while life is not abandoning me?”

~ Abheeru

Fear and Healing: Navigating Cancer with Transformative Insights

In a recent interview, Abheeru Berruti delves into the prevalent fear of illness, particularly cancer, in Western culture, underscoring the almost inevitable anticipation of enduring this extraordinary pain. Drawing from his personal journey of being diagnosed with cancer, Abheeru stresses the profound impact of fear on the mind and body during illness, advocating for a transformative process to shift from a fear-driven mindset to an awareness of the body’s healthy aspects.

Abheeru passionately advocates for an existential attitude, encouraging individuals to move beyond a survival frequency to embrace a creative frequency. He underscores the importance of acknowledging the interconnected nature of fear and courage, particularly in shaping children’s attitudes through education. Abheeru concludes by emphasising the need for authenticity in acknowledging fear and fostering an open, creative approach to life.

He further elaborates on fear as a signal calling for attention and reflection rather than an absolute prevention to action. Abheeru advocates for education about fear, portraying it as a momentary pause to assess oneself and the situation. He compares fear to a car’s indicator lights, signaling the need for attention without being inherently negative. The conversation explores the impact of thought filters influenced by societal beliefs, shaping our perception of fear as something to avoid.

Abheeru delves into the transformative potential of meditation, fostering an open, creative approach to life, and connecting with the inner empty space. He encourages individuals to engage in an inner dialogue with life through sensations and perceptions rather than pre-existing thoughts. In exploring illness and cancer, Abheeru highlights the importance of a holistic approach, combining inner work and any preferred sanitary approach for comprehensive well-being.

Abheeru emphasises the need for individuals to discern who to have close by during illness, recognising the impact of emotional support on the healing process. He shares insights on training the brain to sense safety, not merely think about safety, and underscores the importance of relaxation in aiding the body’s repair process during illness.

The interview concludes with Abheeru mentioning his book titled “Illness and Illness Is Transformation,” available in Italian, which delves into these profound concepts. (While the English version has faced delays, there is an openness to collaboration for its eventual publication.)

In summary, the conversation with Abheeru provides profound insights into facing illness, transforming fear, and embracing an authentic, creative approach to life.

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[00:00:16] AKP: In this self love episode on The FarOut.Show, the third of a three part series with Abheeru, we navigate the complex terrain of illness, focusing on the pervasive fear surrounding cancer in particular. Abheeru shares transformative insights drawn from his personal seven year journey with the disease, highlighting the profound impact of fear on the mind and body.

Abheeru invites a positive, authentic, and creative approach to life amidst health challenges. Please remember our show doesn’t offer medical advice. Always consult a healthcare professional for personalised guidance.

[00:00:49] RAB: intimacy can’t include the fear unless we give a hand to fear, we become friends with fear. That’s the great thing. Like, it’s an existential step actually, because, our existence, existential, referral is fear. We are afraid to die. And we try to construct our life in a structured and safe way to prevent all sorts of danger or something that we cannot control.

The same we do with the, with the body, with illness, we try to, to leave and to do things in a way that illness won’t come to us, but actually all these thoughts and attitudes come just out because. We are scared of life, we are scared of fear.

The ill person starts from, where do I find, a sense of safety in life? Because most of us, when we get ill, we just immediately forget. One main central thing, yes, there might be an illness in my body, but all the rest of my body is healthy and is functioning. So why, why do I focus on a little detail while the rest of the body is functioning and while life is not abandoning me?

 And that’s a key point at the beginning. 

[00:02:06] AKP: So welcome back to the FarOut Show, getting a cancer diagnosis is fairly common and absolutely devastating. Many of us actually live in fear of it happening with the air quotes to us. It’s almost a question in our current culture and Western culture, not of. If, but when for, for many people, experiencing this extraordinary pain, whether it’s through the loss of a loved one or the loss of life themselves, this is, this is happening to people all over the world.

And today we’re going to discuss what that means and how it looked for a dad with young children in his forties when he experienced something. Very close to, to loss of life, or at least that’s my interpretation of it. We’re gonna hear from Abi. So Roberto Abheeru Berruti joins us today again for the final episode of a three-part series.

And this time we’re gonna be exploring illness and in Abi’s case, his recovery. I do wanna mention here that while we are gonna be discussing some interesting, fascinating, mind blowing and possibly enlightening concepts, we make no promises, no claims, that what we’re discussing is in any way a cure.

So if you are experiencing illness or cancer, please consult your trusted health professional. You can make further contact with Abheeru if you would choose to. So in previous episodes, we’ve explored the need to transform our attachment to fear. In part two, we looked at addiction, the fundamentals of which are formed in childhood through the development of the personality via external forces, as well as what we perhaps bring with us from the other side.

Today we’re, as we mentioned, we’re taking a closer look at illness and of dying, what that meant and what that means and how a meditative introspective process brought about a deep change. Abheeru. Ciao.

Welcome. Welcome back. How did you become so intimate with illness?

[00:04:08] RAB: You can’t be intimate with anything as long as there is fear. So intimacy can’t include fear unless we give a hand to fear, we become friends with fear. So, that’s the great thing. Like, it’s an existential step actually, because, collectively our existential referral is fear. We are afraid to die. And we try to construct our life in a structured and safe way to prevent, you know, all sorts of danger or something that we cannot control.

And the same we do with the, with the body, with illness, you know, we try to leave and to do things in a way that illness won’t come to us, you know, but actually all these thoughts and attitudes come just out because we are scared of life, we are scared of fear. First of all, we want to avoid fear.

And when you get an illness diagnosis, whatever, and cancer or other illness, it doesn’t change much. It’s very impressive how in our minds, we all store a huge amount of fear information about getting ill. I was myself surprised because I never had, any, any cancer experience in my life before, before 2006 when I was diagnosed with cancer, and no one in my family had cancer or bad illnesses.

And none, none of my friends, none of my relatives saw. Cancer was a word that when I was young until my forties, I had only heard from magazines, newspapers, information television, but it was not something that was in my life. And when I got diagnosed, it was impressive to see what came out from my mind, you know, a huge, continuous, never ending movie of fear, fear of dying, even though I had no experience of cancer.

And all that information was just gathered unconsciously in the years before, without even me knowing that. They were just absorbed, and they were part of my My existential engine, let’s say, so the deep process, first of all, was to start a deep transformation process. And it’s not about the illness itself.

It’s about where the ill person starts from, where do I find a sense of safety in life? Because most of us, when we get ill, we just immediately forget. One main central thing, yes, there might be an illness in my body, but all the rest of my body is healthy and is functioning. So why do I focus on a little detail while the rest of the body house is functioning and while life is not abandoning me?

And that’s a key point at the beginning. Then on top of that is of course the fear of going through all the sanitary process, which in most cases is very, very heavy, very tiring and heavy in the mind, heavy, emotionally heavy and emotionally. Of course also for the body if you have to go through chemotherapy or heavy stuff like that.

And most of the people in what I’ve seen in the hospitals, in the waiting rooms, and it’s just like many of the cancer ill people, they die. Because of fear and not because of the illness.

[00:07:41] AKP: So when you say they die because of fear and not because of the illness, how does that work? Are you saying that it’s their self talk and their sense of doom and gloom and fear, which is bringing down their general immunity?

Their general body immunity?

[00:07:55] RAB: Yeah, it’s like, you know, where the motivation of doing all that, curing sanitary processes comes from if the motivation comes from fear.

Okay. It produces in the body the chemistry of fear and the chemistry of fear in the body is not a nourishing chemistry. It’s a consuming chemistry. So, the more we try to find motivation out of fear, the weaker our body. the less responsive we get in the body. We make the body weaker.

[00:08:32] AKP: Hey, thanks for listening to our conversation with Abheeru. We’ve created a series of three interviews with him, a general one about life, the universe, divine design and everything. Another about transformative illness in which he discusses his seven year relationship with cancer and a third related to drug addiction and dependence.

All go deeply into the meditative state and lots of other cool things. You’ll find the full length versions in our private Patreon group or the free half hour episodes on FarOut.Show. Links to both in the show notes.

[00:09:05] AKP: So, how did you come to discover all of this? What was your process exactly?

[00:09:10] RAB: I had the bonus that before getting ill, I had a long period. Practising meditation, searching, doing inner practising, inner search, like discovering about myself. So all that experience helped me a lot because I was not in fear.

I was able to manage my thoughts and my emotions. And there was all the time, very, very lucid, very aware of what I was feeling and very discriminating about also the sanitary proposal that doctors and their staff were offering to me. And that also allowed me to observe and watch all what was happening in the hospital environment, both in the doctor’s attitude and in the patient’s attitude.

And it was visible to me that, like, I could tell, like, sitting in a waiting room, who among those patients would manage and who would not. It was just visible in their eyes. Because. Most of us, they just, like, in a Catholic way, they, they grasp into some hope, into some divine hope, which is all constantly projected on the doctor figure, like, you save me, I don’t have to do anything, you know, you have the white dress, you are a doctor, so you save me, the same attitude like we have in in religion, there’s someone is gonna save me, it’s not my responsibility.

I don’t have a part in this. That’s huge. That attitude, like it means, just diminishes our inner power. You know, it’s like we start from a point where we don’t believe that we can have some kind of creative and responsive participation to what is happening.

And we just, drop everything in the hands of someone else out there. You take care of me. And in that likeness of responsiveness and responsibility, there is no participation and the body is just an instrument. The body follows what the mind activates. So in that attitude, the body flops down.

So it gets weaker. And it’s not stimulated to respond to the illness because the body has infinite resources to respond to the illness. Then, of course, we can’t generalise, we can’t ever generalise. And especially when it’s about a delicate matter like cancer or illness. I mean, no one knows what is his own life project, you know, what, what existence decided for our life project.

So for someone, the lesson is. To die with, through, through an illness and for someone else, like in my case, the lesson is you are born again, thanks to the illness. So the range is wide, the range of possibilities is wide, but one thing is certain, even. Even if for someone, the destiny is to die because of the illness, there are different ways to go towards death, you know, like you can go towards death in a very passive and scared way. You can go towards death in a very open and curious and positive and happy way.

[00:12:21] AKP: And do you think that people are able to, to learn to transform, say for example, that journey towards death from a fearful place to a happy place? Is that something that they can do in the grip of  fear?

[00:12:37] RAB: Well, as a potential, we are all set to do that, to just move from a frequency, animal frequency of survival to a superior frequency, which is the frequency of creation.

In the frequency of survival, we all tend to preserve things, to possess things, to grasp the things in the creative frequency. We just want to participate and we don’t care about having or losing. But collectively, I mean, for me, we’re just a bit far away from this education. Surely if we educate kids from the beginning.

To a creative at existential attitude, and I’m very sure that we will produce much less illnesses, both in like psychic illnesses and physical illnesses.

[00:13:34] AKP: And so how do we raise more existential children in the face of a culture which is so, pumping with fear. I mean, it’s a big industry, isn’t it?

[00:13:45] RAB: Fear. Fear is the greatest industry. And how do we do it with kids or Children like It’s about adults. if adults set their existential attitude on fear, then their children would absorb it and they will try to do the same. If adults, they set their existential attitude on courage, braveness, creativity, responsiveness, then kids, they absorb that and then that’s going to make their life different.

[00:14:23] AKP: But surely as adults. We oscillate between a place of fear and a place of being awake. I mean, I don’t know about you, but I know that in the course of my life, it’s constantly breathing in and breathing out of different experiences. So in modelling courage or in modelling fearlessness or in modelling being awake, if we want to call it that, we still are showing our children, the whole smorgasbord, aren’t we?

We’re showing them. Both sides of that coin.

[00:14:51] RAB: Yeah. Well, the problem is not fear itself. And I’m not talking here about like, that fear shouldn’t, should not exist. I actually don’t even like to talk about courage because the word courage exists only because the word fear exists. Okay. So fear and courage are just two sides of the same coin and it’s not avoidable.

Like we can’t skip fear. It’s just about what we show in terms of responsiveness to fear. Okay. If we hide the fact that fear is in us and if we hide when it comes, how we react or respond, if we hide that, if we cover fear with false securities and false security attitude, then we create psychic illness. And therefore we create a great ground for physical illness. Okay.

[00:15:43] AKP: Thanks for listening. You groover, you. Come subscribe to the FarOut newsletter to get regular episode updates and other cool stuff at FarOut.Show. Link is also in the show notes and description below.

[00:16:01] RAB: I grew up in a family where mainly my mother because I mean, she was the one most of the time close to us and educating us and all our effort was just mainly to, uh, you know, do everything in order other than that. No scareful or dangerous things could happen or no, uh, unexpected things would happen, you know, all our effort was just focussed on that control. 

Then I became thirsty for risk. I went to the extreme. But anyway, just to make an example like a parent. What I try to do is to be honest, you know, if fear comes, I don’t hide it. I can communicate about it and they can show how I respond to that, how I can create a positive response to fear.

Fear is just an emotion and emotions are just indicators. They indicate that something in our energy movement is calling us, is, wants to show us something, wants to tell us something. The movement is on. Okay, so fear is not something that prevents us in an absolute way from doing something or to leave something.

It’s just a signal that is telling us, Hey, hold on one moment, stop one moment, have a look at yourself, have a look at the situation, take a moment before going ahead. That’s fear, nothing else. But if we’re not educated about it, then fear becomes like a huge emperor. Okay, we give all the power to it. And then we just think in accord to fear and not in accord to responsiveness.

[00:17:49] AKP: In with, like in agreement with fear. Is that what you mean? Yeah. Yeah. So in that case, fear could actually be quite a positive thing. It’s an indicator of something that needs our attention.

[00:17:58] RAB: Absolutely. Like any other emotion. Emotions are just like the lights on the car.

Screen that indicates that something in the car or in the engine needs your attention. That’s the same, you know, and the problem is that in our brain, those movements have to go through a filter, a filter of thoughts. So, for instance, if we have in our memory, we have absorbed that fear is something bad.

So whenever fear triggers in us, then all that thought archive comes and filters the emotion and makes us think that fear is something bad, something to avoid, something to escape from, and we believe in it. So, actually we are the filter, the more we develop the sense of ourselves, a sense of okay I exist I’m here, then the less we believe in that artificial filter, and the more we are able to translate those movements in a proper way. 

So to translate fear in a proper way means, okay, fear is asking me to stop for a moment for a while. I don’t know. Just let’s have a look. Let’s talk with fear and see. But talk in a sensitive way, not with thoughts, but actually we do the other way around. 

The mind offers like a movie of thoughts that they’re speaking about fear, and we believe in those thoughts, even though we don’t remember that we never, never created those thoughts. We find them already printed in our brain, and we believe in that without inquiry, whether they are true for us or not.

[00:19:51] RAB: Without verification. Yeah, for the body, this is a continuous injection of fear in the cell, in the blood, in the flesh, in the organs. And we see the situation now, is it like in the 23rd century, like we never had so many illnesses on this planet, both psychic and physical, and they go together anyway.

[00:20:17] AKP: What is the role of meditation in all this? How does that work?

[00:20:23] RAB: Meditation actually is, is a good training to get confident with the inner empty space where there is no, I know me, no archive of personal story. And that is fundamental to learn about what I was saying just before, like once, how life wants to move through me and it moves through emotions.

So I can’t have a dialogue with life and those original emotions as long as I’m not able to be void, to be empty. So I can’t dialogue with life. Through thoughts, I can dialogue with life and emotions, which are the life movement signals. I can dialogue only through sensations, perception. And only after I can create my own thoughts, which are not thoughts existing already in the memory.

[00:21:25] AKP: Are you talking about belly wisdom, like a gut feeling or something similar? Isn’t it that we are in a culture which is so bombarded with obvious and super stimulating sensations like televisions and movies and, you know, this, constant entertainment.

Do you feel that people are less and less in touch with that simple, quiet voice inside that gut instinct, that belly wisdom?

[00:21:53] RAB: I don’t have a memory of having been on this planet before, but I can quite certainly declare that we are in an age where psychic doping has reached its peak because we are less and less in contact with our origins and with nature, the plan is becoming more and more fact.

And the same is with us. So yes, all, like television, whatever, smartphones, internet, everything is a great, empty occupation. That prevents us to just sit and, and be close to us just in a very natural way like animals do, you know, like just sitting, being alive and being relaxed and just enjoying feeling ourselves and our body.

That’s also what meditation is about, creating empty moments where you’re just there with no occupation outside yourself. But in the inner occupation, enjoying yourself and does that self enjoyment for no outside reason is the best medicine for the body because it’s not, the substance of fear is the substance of other types of hormones like a citizen or endorphins like you see, um, you know, sitting just sitting for hours during this day and he’s not sleeping.

He’s awake. He’s awake. But it’s just in a deep relaxation and a deep enjoyment of himself just being there and ready to respond to any event or to any of his own physical needs, but he’s just enjoying it in a relaxed way. So we’re just missing that basic natural code. And of course, being out of the nature of code, we are more weak.

And of course, we get more easily illness.

[00:23:56] AKP: So on that note, would you then say, and this might seem like a crazy question, especially to people who are

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