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Guest Bio: Roberto Abheeru Berruti

Roberto Abheeru Berruti, a certified Holistic Trainer, operates under the regulations of Law No. 4/2013, with official recognition in the Professional Competence Registry of SIAF-Italia. Since November 8, 2011, he has been a Holistic Operator at the Trainer level (cod. VE371T-OP), further affirmed by his registration as P1538T-OP. His holistic approach integrates profound insights from personal experiences, including overcoming addiction and battling cancer, shared in intimate sessions in northern Italy.

Roberto Abheeru Berruti
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Professionista regolamentato dalla legge N.4/2013
Iscritto nei registri di Attestazione di Competenza Professionale SIAF-Italia
Operatore Olistico liv. Trainer cod. VE371T-OP dal 8/11/2011 P1538T-OP

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Summary 

In this fascinating and profound podcast conversation, the first of three, Abheeru shares insights on the limitations of traditional learning experiences, having lived through both drug addiction and 7 years of cancer. He emphasises the necessity of developing trust and relaxation to overcome attachments to fear. Abheeru discusses the brain’s functional aspects, highlighting the underutilisation of the frontal brain in modern Western society and the significance of cultivating endorphins for a shift towards pleasure and self-respect. He stresses the gradual progression required to embody and live out transformative understandings, acknowledging that the process may take time or even an extended period. Abheeru shares his direct experience in small, private groups in northern Italy.

So, if we don’t accept, if we don’t believe in the dark side of life, if we don’t have trust in that, if we don’t find the creative energy that is hidden in the dark side of life, then we’re bound to stay in the pain fragrance, in the pain level. And we are bound to learn only from pain.”

~ Abheeru

Embracing Transformation: Abheeru’s Holistic Journey through Fear, Cancer, and Addiction

In the realm of holistic training, Roberto Abheeru Berruti stands as a beacon of wisdom, weaving his personal struggles with addiction and cancer into a transformative narrative that challenges the limits of traditional learning experiences. As a certified Holistic Trainer, Abheeru operates under the regulations of Law No. 4/2013, showcasing his commitment to excellence in the realm of holistic healing.

Abheeru’s journey is not just professional; it is deeply personal. Having navigated the treacherous waters of addiction, he brings a unique perspective to his holistic approach, emphasising the profound impact of overcoming fear. In a podcast conversation, he shares insights on the limitations of conventional learning experiences, highlighting the crucial role trust and relaxation play in breaking attachments to fear.

The echoes of Abheeru’s journey resonate through his discussions on battling cancer. His seven-year encounter with this formidable adversary becomes a source of inspiration, demonstrating the resilience of the human spirit. In the podcast, he dives into the functional aspects of the brain, shedding light on the underutilisation of the frontal brain in modern Western society. Abheeru advocates for cultivating endorphins as a catalyst for a paradigm shift towards pleasure and self-respect, underlining the significance of this holistic approach.

In the pursuit of transformative understanding, Abheeru stresses the necessity of gradual progression, acknowledging that the process may require time, perhaps even an extended period. It’s not just about acquiring knowledge; it’s about embodying and living out these transformative understandings. His commitment to this journey is evident in his direct experiences shared within small, private groups in northern Italy.

As a Professionista regolamentato by Law No. 4/2013 and a recognized Holistic Operator since 2011, Abheeru’s work transcends conventional boundaries. His holistic training methodology, grounded in personal triumphs over addiction and cancer, offers a profound guide for those seeking to overcome fear and embrace transformation. Through trust, relaxation, and the cultivation of endorphins, Abheeru illuminates a path towards holistic well-being, inviting individuals to embark on their own transformative journeys. In intimate sessions held in northern Italy, Abheeru’s work becomes not just a profession but a heartfelt endeavour to empower others in their pursuit of holistic healing.

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[00:00:15] AKP: Hey, far grooves today. I have a fantastic treat for you. We have an interview with Roberto Abheeru Berruti. Abheeru and I have been friends for so many years. And we share the same first name. He’s got the male version. I’ve got the female version.

Find out what it means during the show, we have a discussion about that, and in our discussion we talk about life, the universe and everything. We talk about fear and meditation and love and death and, addiction and illness and so, so many more things in between. So for a mind bending, beautiful conversation full of love. Interesting explorations. Come and join the conversation with Abheeru, Roberto Abheeru Berruti.

[00:01:01] Abheeru: Life is a energetic field. And this like the, the physical, the, the quantum physics can today explain very well about this. And this ener energy field is based on instability on continuous movement, and it is run by paradox and op opposite forces. Okay? So in, in whoever life picture. , there’s gonna be always a, a dance between like dark, dark movement and light movement.

This, we can’t just avoid. It’s, it’s life.

[00:01:38] AKP: Welcome,Welcome to the Far Out Show. I’m speaking today with Abheeru. How are you?

[00:01:53] Abheeru: Oh, I’m fine. Hello, Abbi. Hello everyone. .

[00:01:57] AKP: Abheeru and I met, met each other about 20 plus years ago, and we actually haven’t seen very much of each other in that time.

But I wanted to speak to you well, I know that you’ve been doing lots of amazing things in these years and I wanted to thank you for the role you’ve been playing in in our teenage son’s life because you’ve been, you know, in this time it’s quite difficult to find mature males that you feel you can trust and you have, you’ve, you’ve had that role for us. So I wanted to recognise and thank you for that.

[00:02:28] Abheeru: Yeah, you’re welcome.  I’m actually looking forward into, into meeting, so Yeah.

[00:02:34] AKP: Yeah. He, he’s really keen to come and do a meditation course with you. So I’m, I’m, I’m wrapped as well.

I think that’s a pretty cool thing for a 17 year old to be doing. Yeah, that’s great.

[00:02:45] Abheeru: Yeah. ,

[00:02:46] AKP: so ale, you’ve been creating and facilitating what I’m gonna call some self-discovery online and in-person courses across Italy. you yourself experienced some life-threatening sickness and you expanded and grew as a result of this, I looked at some of the things that you’ve got that you’ve posted online, and in one of them you wrote the direct experience of solving drug addiction and an incurable diagnostic disease combined with professional training is the driving force behind the teaching that you do.

Can you talk a little bit more about that?

[00:03:20] Abheeru: Okay. Well first of all, I think we have to distinguish between like what can be like scholastic teaching and a healing teaching. Okay? Because so far in these years, we are overwhelmed by like millions of ideas or

[00:03:38] AKP: proposals,

[00:03:39] Abheeru: ideas about how to get better, how to feel better, how to heal from illnesses, how to heal from this and from that, but, I mean, there are not very many people that truly emanate a direct experience, you know, about what they’re teaching. So in my case, I, I mean, I was gifted by, by life, let’s say like that by both the, the extreme of life. I, I was gifted by deep pain, deep troubles. And at the same time, then I received the guidelines to follow, to, to step out of, of those difficult situations.

And that, that happened both when I was drug addicted and and when I was in the seven years long cancer experience. So yeah, I am, what I do is, first of all, I, I share. , the experience, what it truly lived, and that comes out from, of my skin is not, is not something that I learned on books or some trainings.

And that’s, that’s the drive because it’s a source that comes from above. It’s not, those are information that led me to, to stay in life, to, to be healthy, to be happy. And I received those information. They’re not mine somehow. So I don’t want to possess all of that experience. And when it happens like that, and I heard also in many other cases that live similar experience, then you are bound to share.

It’s not about making money, it’s not about having success. It’s just like you must share, you must share the, the gift. And so that’s the, the powerful drive that still pulls me to . Go in public and lead workshops and all what they do.

[00:05:32] AKP: The way that you’ve rephrased that and called that a gift, I find that, I find that something that I can really relate to.

[00:05:39] Abheeru: Yeah. Well, well, we all have to be very clear about like the. Let’s say the, the drawing, the big drawing of life. Okay? Life is a energetic field. And this like the, the physical, the, the quantum physics can today explain very well about this.

And this ener energy field is based on instability on continuous movement, and it is run by paradox and op opposite forces. Okay? So in, in whoever life picture, there’s gonna be always a dance between like dark, dark movement and light movement. This, we can’t just avoid, it’s, it’s life. Okay? So in our evolution, we are all called to, to learn to experience how not to identify just with the good health of the picture.

Okay? We, we all dream , you know, to live a life without hard experiences. Yeah. But that’s not, that’s not possible until a certain point of evolution. Evolution is, is as low process, very slow process. We all have to accept where we are. We can’t start from a different place. So where we are is the only place where we can be.

And what happens in that place is the only thing that can happen. And then, so it doesn’t really matter whether it is a dark thing or a light thing. We, we are all bound and asked to, to learn how to participate, how to be not identified with any of these movements and just be a conscious part of it, a participating part of it.

The point is to, to come to this level of awareness. We need, like to transform our attachment to fear. Because as long as we behave as scared, mak mammals, there’s, there’s no hope. Like we are bound to stay in pain and life reflects to us what we believe. Okay. So if, if we don’t accept, if we don’t believe in, in the dark side of life, if we don’t have trust in that, if we don’t find the creative energy that is hidden in, in the dark side of life, then we’re bound to stay in the, in the pain fragrance, in the pain level. And we, and we are bound to learn only from pain.

[00:08:21] AKP: Hey, thanks for listening to our conversation with Abheeru. We’ve created a series of three interviews with him, a general one about life, the universe, divine design and everything. Another about transformative illness in which he discusses his seven year relationship with cancer and a third related to drug addiction and dependence.

All go deeply into the meditative state and lots of other cool things. You’ll find the full length versions in our private Patreon group or the free half hour episodes on farout. show. Links to both in the show notes.

[00:08:53] AKP: So in one of the descriptions of the, of the meditation course you’re going to be offering soon, and you offer them regularly. So anyone listening to this in a year or two I’m sure Abheeru will still be offering these courses, you, you described the dance between avoiding and desiring.

So, so why is it that we yearn to go home like we yearn to reach that place inside of ourselves where we feel peaceful, calm ourselves. It’s the most familiar feeling in the world, expansive. And at the same time, it always seems to be just outside our reach, and yet we remain so, so firmly entrenched in our personality, our ideas, our wishes, you know, our thought patterns, beliefs and convictions.

This, this dance between avoiding and desiring. Could you speak a bit more about that? Yeah, sure.

[00:09:46] Abheeru: Okay. Well desiring is, is a very interesting phenomenon and it must be considered on two different planes, the plane of survival and the plane of participation. As long as we are set in our mind on the fear mode means.

We don’t trust what I just said before about, you know, the, the dark side of life. Then we’re bound to experience desiring only in an anxious way, in a sort of urgency emergency. That’s why, you know, all the advertising, the marketing knows very well this phenomena, and it’s based on that. I mean, they know that most of the people stay attached to the level of fear, and it’s very easy to convince the mass of people that are the, the lives in that way to, to just, you know, put energy into stupid, useless desire desires.

And that’s why, you know, we have all these commercial shopping malls and. We, we buy all sort of useless things. You know, we’re occupied with useless things. We think that it’s important and urgent to desire, futile things. Then on the other level, when we start to stop fearing and we agree to, to the participation call of life, then we can experience desiring as a training to learn how to be a participative being, you know, like in the Bible it’s written that we are created in the same way as God is.

and what does it mean that we have the same potential to participate in life and to model the drawing of life. So in that way, desiring is a self-training to. Test how much we believe in the creative sparkle that lives between limbs inside the, the desiring. So when we desire something that we feel true, authentic, that it has a true importance in our life and in our evolution, then we are tested.

Tested. Because the, that desire, that the desire that regards a, a true evolution for us comes from the energy of pleasure, from the energy of creation and all our hidden thoughts, like thoughts that are set on fear or limiting ourself or not trying new things, they will pop up. So it, it’s a real training like between like how much I believe in that pleasure of going forward into what I feel through and how, how, how much  I’m still attached with old thoughts and fear. And the only way to go ahead to go and leave the, the desire is to drop, drop all the, the waste of the past, all the conventions of the past, and trust the pleasure, trust the, the pleasure of creativity. So when

[00:13:01] AKP: you say drop the the convictions of the past, the ways of the past, I’ve often heard that said in various uh, meditation settings, and when you’re in it and you do it, it makes sense. But what about the how-to, where’s the guide? Where’s the step-by-step? How do you drop things?

[00:13:21] Abheeru: Okay. Very good question. So we, yeah, it’s true. We, we all, we all heard like thousand of times from , whoever, great. Teacher, enlightened teacher, whoever the thing is, like, we have to understand that will is, is a brain circuit, okay.

And fear is another, is a different brain circuit will stays on the voluntary brain circuit while fear is set on the involuntary brain circuit. So as long as we are identified in, in, on, onto a self image that is rooted in fear, we just can’t. We just can’t move to the creative level, to the participative level.

It’s just impossible. You can read thousands of books or you can go to thousands of workshops. You can meet the best teachers in the world, but as long as you don’t absorb enough, enough trust, enough relaxation, and you are able to live in that trust and in that relaxation, then it is just impossible to drop the attachment to fear and all what belongs to that dimensions of thoughts, emotions, it is just impossible. So the, the, the, the will circuit is part of the frontal brain. The first circuit is part of the limbic brain, and our frontal brain has been as leap. Okay. We actually use averagely in the modern society, in the western society. We use averagely, the six, 7%. Okay. And that six 7% is mostly used just for repeating practical actions, driving the car, going to the job, using the computer, cooking my meal, et cetera.

And another part is constantly busy with that self image based on fear. That self-image that has been a product of of our early childhood. And that has been designed by the limbic brain, by an involuntary circuit. So that’s our main occupation until we wake up. When we wake up, we start like, Experiencing that there’s, there’s much more than that.

Then the frontal brain starts developing again. Okay? So the rest of the 93% that is available, starts working for us. And this time, what we do, we just experience things like love, trust, joy, abundance. We go into workshops to absorb the experience so that the frontal brain can record something new.

And balance, balance in the brain chemistry, balance the chemistry of fear. So we actually need to, let’s say, eat and drink. Okay? More endorphins. And the endorphine income will balance the adrenaline set up of the limbic brain. And the more endorphine we experience, the more endorphine we put in the body and, and the more we start acting in the respect of pleasure or, or of self-pleasure and self-respect, then the, the, the dose, let’s say of fear and adrenaline starts getting down.

Okay. And then the voluntary circle to the will circuit starts functioning fully. It’s a progression. Of course. We can’t expect to just jump from one level to the other, just like that, or just because we understand things on, in, on the rational level. Okay. We all understand things on the logic level, but then to leave to incarnate those things, it’s a process that can take time or sometimes can take a very long time.

[00:17:18] AKP: so that leads me to another question. Why is it that some people are given to the meditative life to self introspection? . Why do some people apparently have a stronger drive to investigate this world or find themselves than others? 

[00:17:38] Abheeru: Yeah. I mean, coming back to the evolution theme this also must be clearer to everybody because it’s, it’s a relaxing information.

Okay. Yeah. Like there is a, there is a drawing, okay. For our evolution, and it’s, it’s already done. Okay. We’re just asked to participate. We, we are not drawing it. 

[00:18:01] AKP: So when you say a drawing, do you mean like a project, a luxury?

[00:18:06] Abheeru: Like let’s say God has created like a life map for, for all of us. . Mm. So it’s I dunno in English.

[00:18:18] AKP: A map. Yeah, A map. A  design. 

[00:18:20] Abheeru: design. So it starts from the beginning, you know, you will be grown in some woman’s womb, and then you, you will have that family, that father that you will grow up in that situation. You will receive love, you will experience love, traumas, joy, everything.

The dark side and the light side since the very beginning. Okay. So, the picture is very efficient from day zero onward. And then we are just asked to participate. The more we trust that what happens is not against us, the more we’ll feel free. Okay. So coming back to your question, like, depending on what step of the evolutionary ladder we are, our human map has been drawn. Okay? So if I still have to experience survival, I can’t expect to be attracted to meditation. If I’m already relaxed about the survival issue, then I can be easily more drawn to meditation. So if,

[00:19:30] AKP: do you think it’s true that people, I think this is related, but in, when we experience pain, like emotional, physical, you know, all of, all the iterations of pain, many people have many people, let’s, let’s start this again, myself included.

When you have experienced great emotional pain, perhaps in your case with the illness, physical pain, these people often seem to find a closer connection to the divine or to God. And yet you just mentioned that people who say, for example, if, if we understand that life is predetermined by the, you know, a divine design, that if you are, say, living in survival mode, then you don’t necessarily have the relaxation to go looking for the God within or however we wanna rephrase that.

Yeah. Ah, so they sort of seem to be juxtaposed on one hand, people who experience pain seem to yearn for something deeper or perhaps they’re shown something, some deeper dimension of experience having gone through

[00:20:41] Abheeru: pain. Well, yeah. Well, well, well, let’s, let’s consider things in this way, like the map, the, the map potential for everyone is done when the potential lever is done.

Okay. So if it’s written there, That you have to go through the experience of, let’s say, physical illness. Okay. You will meet that. Okay. Okay. And maybe in that map is also written, the potential that you can transform that pain and resurrect and be born again. You know, be born to a new, new life, to a new way, a new way you stay into your life potentially is written, but then is the human that goes into the video game and the human might, might access, might have, might find access to that potential or might not.

That’s why then things come back in a repetitive way, you know? Okay. Okay. Like if you look, I, I mean, I had such a deep experience like going through hospitals of any kind in the years of cancer. and you see like the mass of people there is not interested in participating into the mystery of their body and the illness.

They’re just focused on getting rid of the symptom and they are on the fear level. So their interest is set on, I must survive at any cost. So put in my body, all sort of medicine, do whatever you want. My dear doctor, I, I’ll be passive. I don’t move anything. I don’t participate. Just let me,help me get rid of that pain.

Okay. That’s the collective drive. And very few are already like on a, like speaking in, in evolution words, like on, on a higher level. Okay. And then in the higher level, like it happened to me, I was not scared to die. because I mean, it was clear to me in that situation that, I mean, I could have died just falling down the stairs, you know,

Yeah. Not because of the cancer. I mean, I, I might have slipped on the, on the wet floor, bumped my head and, and begun, you know, so that was very clear to me. So the other thing that was very clear to me was that my inner aliveness was not, depending on the physical pain. I could experience a very strong physical pain, and in the same moment, just simultaneously be aware that my aliveness was not touched by that pain.

That is an experience that very few people have access to. So, on the potential level, again, that possibility is for everybody, but on the collective level, we’re not. Like, we’re not set mainly on, on the creation, on the creative response where most mostly set on the fear attitude. And so, I dunno if I answered your, your question, but eventually

[00:23:54] AKP: yeah, I think, I think you did a great job.

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[00:24:15] AKP: of the other questions, see from every response pops up another five questions. But, so there in this conversation there is an aspect of, say the divine design, capital D, capital D which could, could suggest a, a predetermined life like that we don’t have choice. But then once we are here, how we, how we access our potential, how we access or realise that divine design is up to usIs that what you are suggesting? That we may or may not pick up the lessons of life along the way? ,

[00:24:51] Abheeru: it is just designed to drive us to the next step on the evolution ladder, whatever It’s mm-hmm. , whether you like it or not, that’s the point. You know, bummer. We should all, all have to go to God and complain and say, Hey, listen, there’s something wrong. There’s something wrong here. You keep drawing wrong designs.

[00:25:22] AKP: We have a bit more fun, please.

[00:25:26] Abheeru: Well fun. Fun is already available when you get out of the fear, when you, from the fear level, that’s it, that’s adaptable.

Cause I, I’m having a lot of fun in my life and I’m really, I’m totally different person now. I’m a healthy person. I was not a healthy person before, but not in terms of what I eat, if I smoke or drink, no, that doesn’t mean healthy. Healthy means. the way you are a good or bad company to yourself. So now I’m a very good company, to myself, and I’m a very bad human.

You know, like, I keep my very bad habits and I’m not scared about that. I’m human. I’m fine. I’m totally fine. So, yeah.

[00:26:10] AKP: yeah, I don’t believe you’re a bad human, but I get that. I get what you’re saying. We’re getting into our dichotomies again. Good, bad. Right, wrong, top down, black,

[00:26:20] Abheeru: white. Well, it’s obvious I can’t, I can’t ever be a saint example.

Okay. That’s for sure. But I can be a happy example.

[00:26:28] AKP: Oh, I was gonna ask you, it occurred to me, and I was just talking about this, this morning, that it’s a period in history where we get, there are so many self-help books available. Yeah. We, you can read about uh, the Ancient Secrets of Sufis and you can read about Gerr and Krishna Murti one, two, and three.

Like, there’s so many books available in all different languages. And is this another example of where it’s a academic or a mental understanding as opposed to an experiential understanding where we are reading about something as opposed to going through it.

[00:27:08] Abheeru: Okay. Well better to have all that material available rather than not.

Okay. So actually, it could be now an age where we are helped if we want to jump to step out of the fear level and go to the participative level. . But as I said before, you know, you can be very acknowledged about all this evolution information, but as long as the trigger happens within, you know, you can just be like a, a, a walking and speaking book and nothing else.

So the click happens basically when, when the part is full, when you have enough of suffering

[00:27:57] AKP: and, and what happens then what is the click?

[00:28:00] Abheeru: And then something happens that you don’t know. You don’t know where else to focus, but you just know that you don’t focus anymore on that pain. Magni, because the mind, you know, all our memory archive in the limbic brain is just the common magni, how do you say in English?

A magnet. Magnet. Okay. And, and our frontal brain is, the brain that talks about us is like constantly driven there to talk with that, to that arch archive of, of information. You know? And when, when you are done, like, when you just, you know you are finished with that, then you have no idea what else can be.

But you have a clear idea that you don’t wanna put like a single second of your focus on that. So it’s a negative work to do. Like, I just stop being occupied with some thoughts, emotions, behaviors attitudes. I just stop, I disin dis intoxicate myself. And the, the less I’m occupied with that stuff, the more, the more like the, the, let’s say the, the, the sheet in front of me is white.

White means. Life can finally show something new. And I can also myself participate and write myself something. And then it’s a cooperation because before we experience, like life is above us, we’re small, tiny, we must be scared because anything can happen and life can just smashed us like an end. And then what happens later is that we don’t feel that we are below.

Life doesn’t superior or powerful God, but we are hand by hand with life. And then we experience abundance. We experience direct correspondence like we speak, we ask and we are given exactly what was said like thousand years ago. That truly happens. Knock and someone will open ask and something will be given.

And, and it’s true. It’s really true. . But to realise that is true, you can’t, you can’t stay on, on the fear level. There’s no way.

[00:30:16] AKP: So for example, in the last few years, I would say that collectively we’ve had a pretty strong attachment to fear. Do you think that and I don’t wanna go into a geopolitical conversation here, but do you think that that has been exacerbated? Do you think that has increased people’s levels of fear? Or do you think that it’s driven many people to look beyond and find what’s real outside of those fearful paradigms? Ideas, marketing? It’s been a very good marketing exercise.

[00:30:47] Abheeru: Yeah. Yeah. Well, first I wanna say one thing I dropped several years ago. The hope that humankind, will, will be one day ready to step on the creative and loving level of life. I just dropped because I mean, if you study the scores of humankind history since ages ago, it’s just, it’s just a video game that repeats itself, you know? Mm-hmm the mass stays asleep and attached to fear, to the fear mode, and very few there to step over.

Okay? Mm-hmm. . So I think nothing has actually changed. .

[00:31:35] AKP: Yeah. My father used to say we learned from history that we learned nothing from history.

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[00:32:01] AKP: Our first conversation of this nature.

In 20 years. Not bad, huh? ? No bad . And you know that Abheeru and Abi, we both share the same yeah,

[00:32:12] Abheeru: same name. Yeah. That’s interesting. Yeah. We should, we should tell the audience what it means. Yeah. You you go, you go. Okay. So it’s it’s a root from the ancient Hindi, the language, and it means fearless.

So Abheeti is the female version, Abheeru is the male version. So it’s a given name that indicates that we can exist being just free from fear.

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